Obama Outrage DuJour

Obama gave the farm away to the Russians in his meetings yesterday with the Kremlin. He’s seriously undermining our military capabilities.

President Obama’s ideological bias against nuclear weapons dates back to his undergraduate years. Yet those weapons kept the peace between the world’s great powers for 64 years. A few remarks about deterrence notwithstanding, Obama just doesn’t get it.

He agreed to trim our nuclear-warhead arsenal by one-third and — even more dangerously — to cut the systems that deliver the nuclear payloads. In fact, the Russians don’t care much about our warhead numbers (which will be chopped to a figure “between 1,500 and 1,675”). What they really wanted — and got — was a US cave-in regarding limits on our nuclear-capable bombers, submarines and missiles that could leave us with as few as 500 such systems, if the Russians continue to get their way as the final details are negotiated.

Update: “…(is) Barack Obama is the most naïve president in American history. The answer is undoubtedly yes – unless he has a secret agenda to cut America down to size.”

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  1. *sigh*

    How about they destroy _ALL_ of them? And while they’re at it, begin dismantling the 750+ US bases stationed around the globe. That should take a bit of pressure off the America taxpayer. Defend your own boarders, sure, but stay the hell out of the affairs of other nations.

    Maybe spend some of the money that you’ll save on all those veterans that have been spat out and forgotten by the system. Aren’t 1 in 4 homeless?

    War is a racket, and nothing more. The leaders should serve the people – not the other way around.

    Just a _crazy_ thought.

  2. Because we don’t live in a world full of nice people in case you hadn’t noticed. And considering what a weatly target we are, the governmeny has a responsibility to be able to eter and defend the country.

    Yeah, you may think we don’t need nukes to do that, but nukes arguably have prevented any world wars since the 40s.

  3. Jeremy,

    Your basic naivety in some things leaves me speechless…

    Governments have a responsibility to defend their citizens.

    It is irresponsible to back down and cut back on basic defenses when your enemy has declared his intent to harm you or haven’t we been paying attention to what the North Koreans and Iranian leadership have been saying all along? Regardless of whether you think these people are clowns, it’s not smart to underestimate them.

    This is something that apparently appeasers and idealists don’t understand. You can’t make peace and surrender to people with completely alien thinking or those who want to kill you!

    We NEED terrible weapon systems because of madmen like the guys in Iran and North Korea as well as the shrewder leaders of other unfriendly countries like China and Russia. I don’t believe for one minute the Chinese and Russians are going to blow up the US in a crazy launch of MRVs but at the same time they’ve proven time and again they will break treaties and that they DO leak important nuclear secrets and sell tech to their client nations like Iran and North Korea. It’s only gullible people like out-of-his-league Obama who believe they’re honest deal brokers!

    The situation continues to exist today in spite of the delusion of peace breaking out after the end of the Cold War. Now is NOT the time to relax and pretend we’re in a utopia. That’s not going to happen as long as people remain what they are… It’s not a time for self-recrimination and saying “oh our society is so bad and we’re just as bad as they are.” That’s weakness that our enemies prey on. That’s why they love people like Obama.

    FYI, the costs of the bulk of nuclear systems (or military spending in general) doesn’t anywhere near approach what entitlement/welfare/socialist spending does. The operations in Iraq are a small fraction of what Obama wants to waste with his pork spending on domestic bribery. Sure, there could be SOME economizing done and better recycling and upgrades to existing equipment but inevitably new equipment has to be bought for the military whether they’re entirely new designs or upgraded versions of existing systems. We are unfortunately in a cycle where hard decisions have to be made and much of what was bought in the 1980s and early 1990s is facing retirement or complete rebuilds.

    The price of peace is eternal vigilance. It sure doesn’t come cheap…

  4. One could also argue that many of the nasty people that we think are threats have only come about because of the overseas meddling that has be undertaken.

    Defend the country, yes. I don’t understand why that should be intrepreted as empire-building. The founding fathers were staunch non-interventionalists. You champion the Constitution. But only parts of it?

    History will repeat itself. Rome fell. The British empire faded away. Given the imploding US economy, I’d guess the only hope she has was to prevent a rapid demise was to return the ways the country was intended to be run.

    Call me crazy….

  5. Blaming US on meddling is a convenient way for evil people to justify their wrongdoings. Let’s face some facts: the Taliban are mostly foreigners in Afghanistan. They are meddling too. Many are Saudis. The Mullahs in Iran are much worse than the Shah who made Iran a progressive society in that region despite his draconian measures against the fanatics.

    Yeah, the US did things in the past like kill leaders of countries, etc. But no major power has not meddled and none in the future will abstain either. DO you think China won’t meddle in Africa where it’s getting seriously involved? Do you think Russia didn’t meddle in other countries.

    I would say it’s naive to think any country with interests in a region wouldn’t meddle. It’s human nature. The fact is, the complainers tend to be worse than we are.

  6. “The fact is, the complainers tend to be worse than we are”

    Well, this is purely subjective. It is always the opposition that is the wrongdoer, isn’t it? We’re drowned out in propaganda telling us how to think, that we’re always the good guys – it starts at school and continues throughout our whole life. And we herald the greatness of democracy as proof of why our way of doing things is the right way. The irony, being, of course that democracy died in the West years ago.

    I think it is healthy taking a step back and trying to perceive the influence the US has on the rest of the world from our own perspective as well as that of the bad guys. We might learn something that challenges the knowledge we’ve been previously led to believe.

    We know our leaders are corrupt, lying criminals. Why then do so many of us nod our head in agreement when they forge aggressive foreign policy toward the rest of the world. Considering how they treat their own citizens, aren’t you at all concerned in how they’d then treat those of other nations?

    They might not be Americans, but they are still people. Just like us.

  7. The Roman Empire fell. The British Empire fell. The Spanish Empire fell. The Russian Empire fell.
    See the connection? The word “empire.”
    The US has never had one, and that makes us perhaps the most remarkable superpower in history. Many European countries still maintain colonial outposts to this day.
    As for isolationism, that worked great for us in WWI and WWII. And the world was far less interconnected in those days. Now almost nothing really happens “somewhere else” exclusively. Perhaps you’re right in suggesting we ought to just let the world do what it wants instead of attempting to keep things down to a low boil simply by knowledge of our presence and capabilities, if nothing else. But I suspect that East Central LA, bad as it is, would not benefit from the withdrawal of the police, and neither would the surrounding neighborhoods.
    So, tell you what, Jeremy: you experiment with leaving your house and car unlocked and let me know how that works out for you. I’ll stick with assuming, as Jim says, there are bad people out there…and therefore overseas bases, F-22s, and AEGIS cruisers are useful things to own in case, oh, a crazy Asian country develops nukes and ICBMs and starts firing missiles in our direction (a ridiculous idea, of course, but it could happen).
    As Tolstoy said, “You may not be interested in war, but war is very much interested in you.”

  8. I think, Jeremy, that I would like to live in a world where people can get along and live and let live. But it’s a chicken and the egg proposition. There have been many peaceful societies that get attacked and ruined by those who are not. The US has to be able to defend itself.

    Does it need to invade countries? It depends. We probably didn’t need to invade Iraq. We have plenty of untapped oil here in the US. But it boxed in Iran who a lot of countries in the middle east hate more than us, believe it or not. That is not well advertised, but they are meddlers in other countries affairs and have a history of invading neighbors. They fund terrorism and are major instigators in Iraqi violence. So, he meddler thing cuts both ways. We can argue the merits of teh war, but it’s kind of moot because it’s over.

  9. From http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2009/07/pilger-obama-america-world


    Barack Obama is the embodiment of the “ism”. From his early political days, Obama’s unerring theme has been not “change”, the slogan of his presidential campaign, but America’s right to rule and order the world. Of the United States, he says, “we lead the world in battling immediate evils and promoting the ultimate good . . . We must lead by building a 21st-century military to ensure the security of our people and advance the security of all people.” And: “At moments of great peril in the past century our leaders ensured that America, by deed and by example, led and lifted the world, that we stood and fought for the freedoms sought by billions of people beyond their borders.”

    Since 1945, by deed and by example, the US has overthrown 50 governments, including democracies, crushed some 30 liberation movements and supported tyrannies from Egypt to Guatemala (see William Blum’s histories). Bombing is apple pie. Having stacked his government with warmongers, Wall Street cronies and polluters from the Bush and Clinton eras, the 45th president is merely upholding tradition. The hearts and minds farce I witnessed in Vietnam is today repeated in villages in Afghanistan and, by proxy, Pakistan, which are Obama’s wars.


  10. You’re right. I give up. The USA is worse than Hitler and the world would be better off had we never existed. Kids would fly kites in Baghdad and unicorns would frolic o’er the land.
    My bad.

  11. The New Statesmen. How objective of you. 🙂

    There are reasons why a great power does things. Many of them are bad because politicians are often wrong and stupid. But as far as major powers go, the US has a better track record for good than any other. When people say the US is bad, I always say compared to who?

    No country is perfect. Even Canada murdered its indigenous people and done a lot of other bad things.

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